nettamer.net?

Post by G***@xyzoptusnet.com.au
Can you enlighten me on what the situation is with www.nettamer.net?
Does it exist? I have also tried sending a message to David Colston
but had no response. Please e-mail me.
I hope that someone is reading this forum.

Hi, George.

I just clicked on the link in your message, and it popped right up there.
I'm obviously not using Net-Tamer, but I have it installed, just in case I
want to go back to it, for nostalgia's sake. :-) I've got DSL now, and I'm
hoping that someone will pop in with a work-around to allow Net-Tamer to
access an already-opened Internet connection so I can see it fly over
broadband. :-) I might actually use it more if it did that. But, I think
1.12 is the latest release, and 1.13 Beta is still listed on the webpage.
So, I think Net-Tamer has pretty much stalled.
--
-- 73 DE Tom Rutherford, N8EUJ, Burton, MI
"She said it was either her or the ham radio. Over."

s***@MyRealBox.com

2004-05-16 11:47:52 UTC

Hi, George.
I just clicked on the link in your message, and it popped right up
there I'm obviously not using Net-Tamer, but I have it installed,
just in case I want to go back to it, for nostalgia's sake. :-)
I've got DSL now, and I'm hoping that someone will pop in with a
work-around to allow Net-Tamer to access an already-opened Internet
connection so I can see it fly over broadband. :-) I might
actually use it more if it did that. But, I think 1.12 is the latest
release, and 1.13 Beta is still listed on the webpage So, I think
Net-Tamer has pretty much stalled.

I just now tried again with Net-tamer to access the site. I couldn't
get there with Net-Tamer. The site is still accessible with Lynx386
for DOS. The site also works with Arachne, the graphical web browser
for DOS. I have no idea why the site cannot be accessed by Net-tamer.

Sam Heywood
--
NTReader v0.32w(O)/Beta (Registered) in conjunction with Net-Tamer.

Tom Rutherford

2004-05-18 11:22:43 UTC

Post by Tom Rutherford
Hi, George.
I just clicked on the link in your message, and it popped right up
there I'm obviously not using Net-Tamer, but I have it installed,
just in case I want to go back to it, for nostalgia's sake. :-)
I've got DSL now, and I'm hoping that someone will pop in with a
work-around to allow Net-Tamer to access an already-opened Internet
connection so I can see it fly over broadband. :-) I might
actually use it more if it did that. But, I think 1.12 is the latest
release, and 1.13 Beta is still listed on the webpage So, I think
Net-Tamer has pretty much stalled.

Hi, Sam. I never have thought much of Net-Tamer's web interface. I haven't
used Lynx386 for DOS, but I have used Lynx under Unix and Linux, and both of
those versions beat the pants off Net-Tamer, IMHO. I think what's happening
is that Lynx doesn't really give a rip and just passes everything, byte by
byte, and Net-Tamer tries to parse the commands and doesn't have the
horsepower. At least Arachne has rudimentary (maybe more than that, now;
haven't looked at it for a couple of years) HTML and JavaScript capability.
Product loyalty only makes sense if it's appreciated. So, I use what works.
Right now, for the web, that's Internet Explorer under Windows.
Unfortunately. I hate Windows.
--
-- 73 DE Tom Rutherford, N8EUJ, Burton, MI
"She said it was either her or the ham radio. Over."

s***@MyRealBox.com

2004-05-23 04:34:50 UTC

<snip>

Post by Tom Rutherford
Hi, Sam. I never have thought much of Net-Tamer's web interface. I
haven't used Lynx386 for DOS, but I have used Lynx under Unix and
Linux, and both of those versions beat the pants off Net-Tamer, IMHO.
I think what's happening is that Lynx doesn't really give a rip and
just passes everything, byte by byte, and Net-Tamer tries to parse
the commands and doesn't have the horsepower. At least Arachne has
rudimentary (maybe more than that, now; haven't looked at it for a
couple of years) HTML and JavaScript capability. Product loyalty
only makes sense if it's appreciated. So, I use what works. Right
now, for the web, that's Internet Explorer under Windows.
Unfortunately. I hate Windows.

As a frequent Arachne user I can tell you that Arachne still has no
capability whatsover for dealing with JavaScript other than to ignore
it. If one must visit a web page requiring a browser having a
JavaScript capability he cannot use Arachne. Arachne has full HTML 4
capability and she can display inline graphics just as well as the
latest and greatest Window$ browsers. Also she really runs fast when
running on a ram drive.

As a browser Nettamer used to work almost as well as Lynx386 for DOS
back in the good old days before the development of all the more
advanced HTML tags and other web gizmos. Nettamer will still work
just as well as Lynx386 for DOS when visiting web pages designed
according to the old traditional standards. Nettamer is a much more
versatile internet app than Lynx396 for DOS. Lynx386 for DOS is
mainly just for doing web browsing. Lynx386 for DOS can also send
email with the aid of an interfaced add-on program, but Lynx386 for
DOS cannot receive email. Lynx386 for DOS can also serve as a
newsgroup reader and it can reply to newsgroup posts, but Nettamer
does a much better job at doing email and newsgroups than Lynx386 for
DOS. Besides web browsing and email and newsgroups, Lynx386 for DOS
doesn't do anything else. Nettamer is a multi-purpose internet app
and it can do a lot of other things on the net.

Sam Heywood
--
NTReader v0.32w(O)/Beta (Registered) in conjunction with Net-Tamer.

Tom Rutherford

2004-05-24 11:26:04 UTC

On Sun, 16 May 2004 11:02:37 GMT "Tom Rutherford"

<snip>

Oh, okay. I thought I remembered that Arachne would run some of the really
early JavaScript. Maybe it's something that Michael Pollack had slated for
a later edition. Did he ever get the NNTP capability put into it, or are
those "Not supported yet" lines still in there?

Post by s***@MyRealBox.com
As a browser Nettamer used to work almost as well as Lynx386 for DOS
back in the good old days before the development of all the more
advanced HTML tags and other web gizmos. Nettamer will still work
just as well as Lynx386 for DOS when visiting web pages designed
according to the old traditional standards. Nettamer is a much more
versatile internet app than Lynx396 for DOS. Lynx386 for DOS is
mainly just for doing web browsing. Lynx386 for DOS can also send
email with the aid of an interfaced add-on program, but Lynx386 for
DOS cannot receive email. Lynx386 for DOS can also serve as a
newsgroup reader and it can reply to newsgroup posts, but Nettamer
does a much better job at doing email and newsgroups than Lynx386 for
DOS. Besides web browsing and email and newsgroups, Lynx386 for DOS
doesn't do anything else. Nettamer is a multi-purpose internet app
and it can do a lot of other things on the net.

I dunno...That's about like saying that I used to be able to ride a bicycle
safely on the street that runs past my apartment building before the traffic
started flying past so fast and furious. It's me that's the problem, not
the traffic. Same with Net-Tamer. It just hasn't kept up. As for Lynx386
for DOS, I just never used it. The Linux and Unix flavors I've used as an
interface for downloading files via FTP, but webpages are so full of
graphical garbage these days, I just don't feel like messing with it.
--
-- 73 DE Tom Rutherford, N8EUJ, Burton, MI
"She said it was either her or the ham radio. Over."

s***@MyRealBox.com

2004-05-24 15:11:06 UTC

On Mon, 24 May 2004 11:26:04 GMT "Tom Rutherford" <***@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

<snip>

Post by s***@MyRealBox.com
As a browser Nettamer used to work almost as well as Lynx386 for DOS
back in the good old days before the development of all the more
advanced HTML tags and other web gizmos. Nettamer will still work
just as well as Lynx386 for DOS when visiting web pages designed
according to the old traditional standards. Nettamer is a much more
versatile internet app than Lynx396 for DOS. Lynx386 for DOS is
mainly just for doing web browsing. Lynx386 for DOS can also send
email with the aid of an interfaced add-on program, but Lynx386 for
DOS cannot receive email. Lynx386 for DOS can also serve as a
newsgroup reader and it can reply to newsgroup posts, but Nettamer
does a much better job at doing email and newsgroups than Lynx386
for DOS. Besides web browsing and email and newsgroups, Lynx386 for
DOS doesn't do anything else. Nettamer is a multi-purpose internet
app and it can do a lot of other things on the net.

I dunno...That's about like saying that I used to be able to ride a
bicycle safely on the street that runs past my apartment building
before the traffic started flying past so fast and furious. It's me
that's the problem, not the traffic. Same with Net-Tamer. It just
hasn't kept up. As for Lynx386 for DOS, I just never used it. The
Linux and Unix flavors I've used as an interface for downloading files
via FTP, but webpages are so full of graphical garbage these days, I
just don't feel like messing with it.

Lynx386 for DOS has a feature which permits the operator to place
his cursor on a link for an image, then press <ENTER>. By doing that,
an image viewer program is called and the image is displayed. When
you press <ESC> the image viewer program will close and you will find
yourself back in the browser mode and at the same place on the web page
from which you had momentarily exited the browser to view the image.

Sam Heywood
--
NTReader v0.32w(O)/Beta (Registered) in conjunction with Net-Tamer.

Tom Rutherford

2004-05-26 12:45:00 UTC

Post by s***@MyRealBox.com
<snip>

Post by Tom Rutherford
I dunno...That's about like saying that I used to be able to ride a
bicycle safely on the street that runs past my apartment building
before the traffic started flying past so fast and furious. It's me
that's the problem, not the traffic. Same with Net-Tamer. It just
hasn't kept up. As for Lynx386 for DOS, I just never used it. The
Linux and Unix flavors I've used as an interface for downloading files
via FTP, but webpages are so full of graphical garbage these days, I
just don't feel like messing with it.

That's neat. I'll have to try that with the Linux flavor of it when I get
Linux installed. Probably won't be until I build my next box, though. I
want to do a multi-boot system like I had on the old P-166 when I was
running MS-DOS 6.22, OS/2 Warp 3.0, and RedHat Linux 5.2. The new box will
have Win98SE or possibly Win2K and a much newer distribution of Linux, but
probably not OS/2.
--
-- 73 DE Tom Rutherford, N8EUJ, Burton, MI
"She said it was either her or the ham radio. Over."

s***@MyRealBox.com

2004-05-24 15:11:08 UTC

On Sun, 16 May 2004 11:02:37 GMT "Tom Rutherford"

<snip>
As a frequent Arachne user I can tell you that Arachne still has no
capability whatsover for dealing with JavaScript other than to
ignore it. If one must visit a web page requiring a browser having
a JavaScript capability he cannot use Arachne. Arachne has full
HTML 4 capability and she can display inline graphics just as well
as the latest and greatest Window$ browsers. Also she really runs
fast when running on a ram drive.

Oh, okay. I thought I remembered that Arachne would run some of the
really early JavaScript. Maybe it's something that Michael Pollack had
slated for a later edition. Did he ever get the NNTP capability put
into it, or are those "Not supported yet" lines still in there?

Michael Polak has released Arachne under a public GPL license. He did
that about six months ago. AFAIK, no versions of Arachne have ever yet
been developed that have any JavaScript capability. Michael Polak never
programmed in any NNTP capability for Arachne. Shortly prior to
Arachne's being GPL'd, an Arachne fan named Alejandro Lieber developed
an Arachne add-on which allows the user to fetch and view newsgroup
posts, but not providing for the sending of newsgroup messages. I have
not yet tried the NNTP add-on myself. Other Arachne users like it and
they say it works pretty well. I believe Michael Polak at one time had
big plans to develop Arachne a lot further than he did. It appears that
he just gave up on the Arachne project because he wanted to make a good
living and he felt that there was not much money in further developing
Arachne. Michael Polak now operates an ISP in CZ land and he is has
been very hard to get ahold of by email for the last three years or so.
He only very seldomly replies to any emails from his many admiring fans.

Sam Heywood
--
NTReader v0.32w(O)/Beta (Registered) in conjunction with Net-Tamer.

Tom Rutherford

2004-05-26 12:45:01 UTC

On Tue, 18 May 2004 11:22:43 GMT "Tom Rutherford"

On Sun, 16 May 2004 11:02:37 GMT "Tom Rutherford"

Oh, okay. I thought I remembered that Arachne would run some of the
really early JavaScript. Maybe it's something that Michael Pollack had
slated for a later edition. Did he ever get the NNTP capability put
into it, or are those "Not supported yet" lines still in there?

I'm glad he GPL'ed it. I'm sure it'll get some real attention, now. I just
hope they don't change the look and feel of it too much, because it really
was a pretty program.
--
-- 73 DE Tom Rutherford, N8EUJ, Burton, MI
"She said it was either her or the ham radio. Over."

G***@xyzoptusnet.com.au

2004-05-23 10:37:24 UTC

Date: 23 May 2004 10:37:24 GMT
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Message-ID: <40b07ee2$0$1585$***@news.optusnet.com.au>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.164.29.44
X-Trace: 1085308644 1585 203.164.29.44
Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com alt.comp.shareware.nettamer:4889

Post by Tom Rutherford
Hi, George.
I just clicked on the link in your message, and it popped

right up >there I'm obviously not using Net-Tamer, but I have
it installed, >just in case I want to go back to it, for
nostalgia's sake. :-) >I've got DSL now, and I'm hoping that
someone will pop in with a >work-around to allow Net-Tamer to
access an already-opened Internet >connection so I can see it
fly over broadband. :-) I might >actually use it more if it
did that. But, I think 1.12 is the latest >release, and 1.13
Beta is still listed on the webpage So, I think >Net-Tamer has

pretty much stalled. >

the site cannot be accessed by Net-tamer.
Hi, Sam. I never have thought much of Net-Tamer's web interface.
I haven't used Lynx386 for DOS, but I have used Lynx under Unix and
Linux, and both of those versions beat the pants off Net-Tamer,
IMHO. I think what's happening is that Lynx doesn't really give a
rip and just passes everything, byte by byte, and Net-Tamer tries
to parse the commands and doesn't have the horsepower. At least
Arachne has rudimentary (maybe more than that, now;

Regardless of what is what, how do you explain the fact that NetTamer
cannot access its own site any longer? Also I have not been able to
communicate with Dave Colston. Any comments?

George Nole.
----

Please remove xyz from the address to reply by e-mail.
PC-DOS V 7.00. NetTamer V 1.13 beta, registered.

s***@MyRealBox.com

2004-05-23 19:02:02 UTC

On 23 May 2004 10:37:24 GMT ***@xyzoptusnet.com.au wrote:

<snip>

Post by G***@xyzoptusnet.com.au
Regardless of what is what, how do you explain the fact that NetTamer
cannot access its own site any longer? Also I have not been able to
communicate with Dave Colston. Any comments?
George Nole.
----

David Colston has been responding by email very recently to some
members of the Nettamer Mailing List. He says he is very much
aware of the problem and he is working on it. One of the solutions
he is considering is changing web hosting providers. I will keep
you guys in the newsgroup informed of any other really interesting
news I hear about from the Nettamer Mailing List.

Sam Heywood
--
NTReader v0.32w(O)/Beta (Registered) in conjunction with Net-Tamer.

Tom Rutherford

2004-05-24 11:26:04 UTC